Rendering realistic satellite view style terrain with OpenGL

[denisv]

Hi, all.

I've accidently stumbled across this interesting forum when I was looking for the techniques of rendering satellite view style terrain, and I've found some quite nice tutorials on how to draw the texture manually. My goal however is to achieve that solely by shader code, as my terrain is actually a whole Earth-sized planet and I allow viewing it from as close as about 30km altitude. Obviously such a huge landmass with camera so close to the surface would require tons of pre-rendered textures, which is lots of work and huge amount of memory to waste on textures.

Hence I'm looking for a generic way of rendering per pixel based on the pre-generated data I already have, which is biomes and elevation.
I have the following biomes: Ice, Tundra, Taiga, Shrubland, Temperate Desert, Temperate Forest, Grassland, Desert, Tropical Forest and Savanna.
Basically I have height per pixel, as result of having elevation per vertex. Also, since camera is as high as ~30 km, I don't need to render details like trees or vegetation.

The goal is more or less a render as described in this tutorial: https://www.cartographersguild.com/s...ad.php?t=10768

So the questions are:

Can I make it without having to sample from textures?
If I have to sample from textures, how would I create the textures in a first place? I've tried to look for ready satellite view packs and found nothing I could use.
Do I have enough attributes to be able to render terrain? (Biome type and elevation)

Thanks in advance,
Denis.

[johnvanvliet]

i use blender's built in engine or Celestia ( space sim)

like these renders of the Minor planet "Ceres" from the Dawn mission data
-- Blender cycles


or these renderings of a KBO ( kuiper belt objects )
-- Blender cycles





or these 3d renderings done in Celestia ( but the textures were created in Blender )
http://forum.celestialmatters.org/vi....php?f=4&t=878


and this
100% generated and rendered in blender procedural nodes

[denisv]

Thanks, this looks quite awesome! Unfortunatelly there is no way to translate Blender nodes setup to shader code, so that means I'll have to bake the texture and still use it as premade texture (been there done that!), which I want to avoid at all costs

[Redrobes]

I would reckon that if you could generate a texture which is a biome lookup then you could then generate the biomes in the shaders. You probably need several parameters that you need to access per pixel and then you would have enough info to make it look sensible.

If you want to see someone who has been doing this kind of thing in realtime then check out Outerra.

[denisv]

I would reckon that if you could generate a texture which is a biome lookup then you could then generate the biomes in the shaders. You probably need several parameters that you need to access per pixel and then you would have enough info to make it look sensible.

If you want to see someone who has been doing this kind of thing in realtime then check out Outerra.

Looks great, thanks will check it!

[waldronate]

You should be able to use any search engine to find any number of procedural planet shaders that can be easily adapted to run on the GPU. By "any number", I mean greater than zero and by "any search engine", I mean one of the ones that has indexed at least a few hundred million pages.

Look up F. Kenton Musgrave's Gaia shader from long ago in the book Texturing and Modeling: A Procedural Approach. It's a Renderman shader, but the principle is the same as a GPU shader.

Look at articles by Inigo Quilez ( http://iquilezles.org/ and lots of his at stuff https://www.shadertoy.com/ ). They are already shaders. Or skip the understanding part and just go to https://www.shadertoy.com/results?query=planet for quick satisfaction.

If you want to generate biomes from world position and altitude, you can use a small texture as a lookup (a texture is just a lookup table for quantities that are expensive to calculate otherwise), you can convert an annual average temperature and annual average rainfall into a rough biome map using a lookup similar to http://www.thewildclassroom.com/biom...tiongraph.html. Ideally, you would have a temperature-rainfall map by biome type and feather the types out at the edges so that you can get a probability for each type of biome rather than hard edges; switch between biomes by the probability indexed into a fractal map to get scattered blending rather than soft blending. Implementing the full Koppen-Geiger model is probably not needed for the basic case.

You can convert latitude, altitude, axial tilt, and time of year into a base temperature (insolation based on latitude and axial tilt with temperature decreasing by the lapse rate for altitude). Sample that a few times around the orbit for each point. You can convert latitude and temperature into a very rough rainfall amount by starting with rainfall high at the equator, low at the desert latitudes, increasing to the temperate line, then dropping again toward the poles; if you want to calculate a distance from water and decrease rainfall past a certain amount, that helps, too). For both rainfall and temperature, add a small fractal perturbation to keep things from being too banded by latitude. A fancy sim that does heat and moisture transport via wind and wave would give nice results. For finer details, you'll probably need rivers and should take the slope and aspect angle relative to the sun into your calculations.

Once you have your biomes, sample a googly map of Earth at similar biomes to get a patch of representative texture. Then synthesize larger patches on the fly using a texture synthesis engine. As above, use a fractal to control the hard transition between biome types.

[denisv]

You should be able to use any search engine to find any number of procedural planet shaders that can be easily adapted to run on the GPU. By "any number", I mean greater than zero and by "any search engine", I mean one of the ones that has indexed at least a few hundred million pages.

Look up F. Kenton Musgrave's Gaia shader from long ago in the book Texturing and Modeling: A Procedural Approach. It's a Renderman shader, but the principle is the same as a GPU shader.

Look at articles by Inigo Quilez ( http://iquilezles.org/ and lots of his at stuff https://www.shadertoy.com/ ). They are already shaders. Or skip the understanding part and just go to https://www.shadertoy.com/results?query=planet for quick satisfaction.

If you want to generate biomes from world position and altitude, you can use a small texture as a lookup (a texture is just a lookup table for quantities that are expensive to calculate otherwise), you can convert an annual average temperature and annual average rainfall into a rough biome map using a lookup similar to http://www.thewildclassroom.com/biom...tiongraph.html. Ideally, you would have a temperature-rainfall map by biome type and feather the types out at the edges so that you can get a probability for each type of biome rather than hard edges; switch between biomes by the probability indexed into a fractal map to get scattered blending rather than soft blending. Implementing the full Koppen-Geiger model is probably not needed for the basic case.

You can convert latitude, altitude, axial tilt, and time of year into a base temperature (insolation based on latitude and axial tilt with temperature decreasing by the lapse rate for altitude). Sample that a few times around the orbit for each point. You can convert latitude and temperature into a very rough rainfall amount by starting with rainfall high at the equator, low at the desert latitudes, increasing to the temperate line, then dropping again toward the poles; if you want to calculate a distance from water and decrease rainfall past a certain amount, that helps, too). For both rainfall and temperature, add a small fractal perturbation to keep things from being too banded by latitude. A fancy sim that does heat and moisture transport via wind and wave would give nice results. For finer details, you'll probably need rivers and should take the slope and aspect angle relative to the sun into your calculations.

Thanks, but I've got all that already covered, I have algorithms to generate terrain that fits my needs, together with moisture (in my case it's proximity to sweet water source) and temperature (like you've suggested latitude and axis tilt), so basically I've got biome types figured out per field.

Once you have your biomes, sample a googly map of Earth at similar biomes to get a patch of representative texture. Then synthesize larger patches on the fly using a texture synthesis engine. As above, use a fractal to control the hard transition between biome types.

Any chance you can pardon my ignorance and elaborate a bit more about synthesizing textures from small samples and using fractals to control the transition between biomes? Basically the underlying structure of my terrain is hexagonal, so I need a way to make biomes transition as "noisy" as possible for hexagonal structure not to be obvious. Any links to articles explaining implementing those techniques would be greatly appreciated!

[denisv]

Once you have your biomes, sample a googly map of Earth at similar biomes to get a patch of representative texture. Then synthesize larger patches on the fly using a texture synthesis engine. As above, use a fractal to control the hard transition between biome types.

Hi again

I'm trying the wang tiles approach, and as you've suggested, I'm trying to sample Google Earth Pro for textures. Surprisingly, Google Earth Pro only saves images in jpg format, moreover the quality of textures in Google Earth itself is quite low when I zoom in to a lavel of 30-40 km above surface.

Any ideas what other tools I can use to sample textures?

[johnvanvliet]

do you read /write " Racket " or "c++" for the old version of the code

have a look at "earthgen" on github

the racket version
https://github.com/vraid/earthgen

and the old c++ version
https://github.com/vraid/earthgen-old

[denisv]

do you read /write " Racket " or "c++" for the old version of the code

have a look at "earthgen" on github

the racket version
https://github.com/vraid/earthgen

and the old c++ version
https://github.com/vraid/earthgen-old

Thanks. That's more or less what my generator already does, what I'm looking for is more of a semi-procedural shading, which this project doesn't do.