that's a cool technique. I appreciate the reply, and I'll definitely use that technique on some maps. but what i was looking for was more along the lines of the ones used in Erkas357's map "The City Of Udenford" Erkas hasn't been on in almost a month so i don't think I'm gonna get a response any time soon. so any input how erkas achieved those cliff would be great.

On One other note how do i get rid of the over hang on my map ( there's a bunch of the drawing hanging outside the border.) if it was a photo program I'd use a lasso tool and circle everything i don't want and then just delete it. i know it wont show on the printed version but when i add sheet effects i think its slowing down the rendering. Thanks!