oh... you think I'm DRAWING these? Oh no... I can't draw for anything!!! I WISH I had that talent! No, one of the things about cc3+ are the symbol sets. Pre generated symbols. That's what I meant when I mentioned Mike Schley's Inks. The symbols I'm using were created by Mike Schley specifically for cc3+. All I have to do, is choose the symbol I want to use, then place it in the map where I want it. Then, I set up the color wash after the symbols are placed.